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Limits proposed on fast-food restaurants
« on: September 10, 2007, 11:51:40 AM »
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fastfood10sep10,0,4559964.story?coll=la-home-center

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"The people don't want them, but when they don't have any other options, they may gravitate to what's there," said Councilwoman Jan Perry, who proposed the ordinance in June, and whose district includes portions of South L.A. that would be affected by the plan.

Yes because the sheeple are too stupid to decide what they want to eat. And of course the problem isn't people wanting KFC but because all that is offered to them is KFC they eat it.

Markets are driven by supply and demand. If people truly did not want fast food then there would not be 20 fast food places in one location. But they are arguing the cart is before the horse and that because all that is offered is fast food, people are stuck eating it. I don't agree this is the situation. If there were truly a demand for health food places then any health food place would simply clean up the moment they opened. Plus fast food places would see specific items soar on their menus. If salads were selling 10 to 1 to hamburgers then they would see a trend and adjust accordingly.

But I have heard fast food offered as an example of the need for government control. Its used as an exmaple of if you let people eat what they want, all they will eat is junk food. Now I don't agree with government control and I also don't belive in the Dennis Miller phrase "Eskimos love blubber cause that's all they serve at the all you can eat artic buffet". People love fast food. it tastes good.

But the problem isn't with free market as the arguements I have heard implies simply because it is not the job of the free market to feed anyone proper nutrition. What's being removed here is personal responsibility for taking control of diet. The idea that restaurants are mommy and daddy giving you your meal. That is not the job of McDonalds to feed you right.. its your job. But as we move more toward a nanny state, people seem to think its the responsibility of others to make sure they are fed right.

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But especially for children, what's to eat is not completely a matter of choice. Legislators in California and elsewhere are giving closer scrutiny to school food. In 2002, the Los Angeles Unified School District was one of the first school districts in the country to ban soda, candy and other high-fat snack foods from school vending machines as of July 2004. The next year the school board decided to reduce sodium, sugar and fat in school lunches. At the federal level, there are proposals in the farm bill to spend an additional $3 billion over five years on fruits and vegetables for school programs.

Now here I do thing regulation comes in ONLY because the state runs the schools and so limits the kid's choices to what the school provides if the parents don't provide a lunch. Because kids are essentially forced to go to the school and so must use the school cafeteria they are not in a free market situation.
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Re: Limits proposed on fast-food restaurants
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2007, 05:03:37 PM »
Another factor involved..   somewhere else in that article in mentioned there were practically no grocery stores in that area..

Let's see.. No place to buy unprepared food, fast food row nearby... Tough decision..

You have to wonder why?!?!? there aren't any grocery stores..

Something to think about..

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Re: Limits proposed on fast-food restaurants
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2007, 05:59:25 PM »
Another factor involved..   somewhere else in that article in mentioned there were practically no grocery stores in that area..

Let's see.. No place to buy unprepared food, fast food row nearby... Tough decision..

You have to wonder why?!?!? there aren't any grocery stores..


Well, I've never visited that area of LA, but the article offers one possible clue:
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In just one-quarter of a mile near USC on Figueroa Street, from Adams Boulevard south, there are about 20 fast-food outlets.


33,000 students, many living in dorm rooms without refrigerators ==> low demand for fresh groceries, and a large demand for "fast food"...
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Re: Limits proposed on fast-food restaurants
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2007, 06:02:37 PM »
Well one thing that can prevent a grocery store is zoning laws. Another is rent.

So is it the students who are kind of forced to eat fast food or the fast food places seeing a massive amount of students and setting up shop.

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Re: Limits proposed on fast-food restaurants
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2007, 06:26:46 PM »

So is it the students who are kind of forced to eat fast food or the fast food places seeing a massive amount of students and setting up shop.


I am suggesting that the latter explanation may be relevant --- particularly for the the block next to campus that the author of the article cherry-picked.  (I have yet to visit a large college campus that did not  have an adjoining "Fast Food Row" of similar density...)
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Re: Limits proposed on fast-food restaurants
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2007, 06:40:44 PM »

So is it the students who are kind of forced to eat fast food or the fast food places seeing a massive amount of students and setting up shop.


I am suggesting that the latter explanation may be relevant --- particularly for the the block next to campus that the author of the article cherry-picked.  (I have yet to visit a large college campus that did not  have an adjoining "Fast Food Row" of similar density...)

True. It is cherry picked. Gosh I NEVER had money to eat fast food in college. Romin noodles, 33 cents a piece. Heck when I'd get a $20 I'd go to Sizzler.

Though in the town I was in there was one McDonalds near campus and a lot of bars. I'm wondering if student loans have a round about effect. I never had a loan. I borrowed from my parents who I paid back with interest about 7 years after school. Could it be loans are more prevelant and so kids have more government money to spend on junk food? Junk food is spendy. $5 a meal (which is cheap, subway can go as high as $9) adds up pretty damn quick. We used to joke about the kids and when they got loans cause there'd be new cars in the student parking lot right when the semester started.

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Re: Limits proposed on fast-food restaurants
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2007, 10:46:39 PM »
For a while I used to work near the USC campus and the running joke is that it stood for "University of Spoiled Children."

The most important aspect of "fast food" is the "fast" part. If you have only 45 minutes between classes, how can you have time to go home and prepare a meal? There are also many businesses of various types in the area (like the mini-blind factory I worked at), and a fast food restaurant is the only place one can get a hot meal.

Today, I eat at fast food places more often than I might prefer, but that's because I have little spare time and the convenience-factor of fast food is a huge plus. Limiting the availability of such places would NOT make my life easier, or necessarily more healthy. Without the option of a fast food restaurant I'd simply eat more canned soups (with their high salt content) and frozen dinners (and Gourd Knows what's in those things.)

And of course, somewhat ironically, the healthiest food I eat is usually purchased at a Subway sandwich shop. Which is also "fast food."